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News4u-Feature Desk- S. C. Chaturvedi- In most cases of reincarnation type, the previous personality had died some years before the birth of the present personality. The present case has the unusual feature that the previous personality with which the subject became identified did not die until about 3 and half years after the birth of the “physical body of the present personality.”

In the spring of 1954, Jasbir, 3-1/2 years old , son of Shri Girdharilal Jat of Rasulpur, Distt. Muzaffarnagar, UP, was thought to have died of small pox.  Jasbir’s father went to his brother and other men of the village proposing that they assist him in burying his ‘dead’ son.  As it was then late at night, they advised postponing burial until the morning. Some few hours later Girdharilal Jat happened to notice some stirring in the body of his son which then gradually revived completely. Some days passed before the boy could speak again, and some weeks before he could express himself clearly. When he recovered the ability to speak he showed a remarkable transformation of behavior. He then stated that he was the son of Shankar of Vehedi  village and wished to go there. He would not eat food at the home of the Jat on the ground that he belonged to a higher caste, being a Brahmin. This obstinate refusal to eat would surely have led to a second death if a kindly Brahmin lady, a neighbour of Girdharilal , had not undertaken to cook food for Jasbir,  in the Brahmin manner. This she did for about a year and a half. Jasbir’s father supplied the material for the food she prepared. But his family some times deceived Jasbir and gave him food not prepared by the Brahmin lady. He discovered the deception and this realization together with pressure from his family, led him gradually to abandon his rigid Brahmin dietary habits and join the rest of the family in their regular meals. The period of resistance lasted under two years altogether.

Jasbir began to communicate further details of ‘his’ life and death in the village of  Vehedi. He particularly described how during  a wedding procession from one village to another he had eaten some poisoned sweets and alleged that a man to whom he had lent money had given him these sweets. He had become giddy and had fallen off the chariot on which he was riding, suffered a head injury, and died.

Jasbir’s  father told he tried to suppress the information of Jasbir’s strange claims & behavior in the village, but the news of it leaked out. The special cooking for Jasbir in the Brahmin style was naturally known to the Brahmins of the village and eventually (about 3- years later) came to the attention of one of their group, Smt Shyamo, a Brahmin native of Rasulpur who had married a native of Vehedi, Shri Ravi Dutt Shukla. She on rare occasions  (at intervals of seven years) returned to Rasulpur. On one such trip in 1957 Jasbir recognized her as his “aunt”. She reported the incident to her husband’s family  and to the members of the Tyagi  family in Vehedi. The details of ‘his’ death and other  items narrated by Jasbir corresponded closely with details of the life & death of a young man of 22, Sobharam, son of Shankarlal Tyagi of Vehendi. Sobharam had died in May 1954 in a chariot accident as related by Jasbir and in the manner described , although the Tyagi family knew nothing of any alleged poisoning or any debt of money owed Sobharam  before they heard of Jasbir’s ststaement. Afterwards they entertained suspicions of poisoning.

Later Ravidatt  Shukla , husband of Smt. Shyamo, visited Rasulpur and heard reports of jasbir’s statement and met him. Then Sobharam’s father and other members of his family went there and Jasbir recognized them and correctly placed them as to their relationships with Sobharam.

A few weeks later, at the instance of the Manager of the Sugar Mill near Vehedi, a villager from Vehedi, Jagannath Pd Shukla, brought Jasbir to Vehedi, where he put him down near the Railway station and asked him to lead the way to Tyagi quadrangle. This Jasbir did  without any difficulty. Later Jasbir was taken  to the home of Shri Ravidatt Shukla and from there led the way (a different route) to the Tyagi home. He remained some days  in the village and demonstrated to Tyagi family & other villagers a detailed knowledge of the Tyagi  family and its affairs. He enjoyed himself greatly in Vehedi and returned to Rasulpur with great reluctance. He still wanted to live in Vehedi and felt isolated and lonely in Rasulpur.

Particularly I would like to draw attention to the fact that the transformation in Jasbir took place rather quickly when he was about 3=-1/2  yrs old. Prior to that age he had seemed a normal child, apart from difficulty in speaking. It will be recalled that the period of transformation of personality in Jasbir coincided with the recovery of his body from an apparently mortal illness. During his early convalescence there was not much scope for any expression of personality and it is therefore impossible to state over what length of time the change in personality occurred. But the complete change took almost a few weaks and perhaps much less time. Moreover we have to do here with a profound change of personality, including refusal to eat his family’s food because of their alleged lower caste. The case therefore differs markedly from those of other children who seem to recall previous lives over a period of several years and in doing so more or less blend the previous personality with the presently developing one.

THE LATER DEVELOPMENT OF JASBIR

Jasbir had continued visiting Vehedi. His parents said he went over there every 3 or 4 months and Jasbir himself said he had gone there just two months before the Author’s visit. On that visit he had remained in Vehedi 2-1/2 months working in the Tyagi family’s fields. Sobharam’s father Shankarla Tyagi was still living then. The Tyagis regarded Jasbir as a full member of their family. They had consulted him about the marriage of Sobharam’s son and he had attended the wedding ceremony. Jasbir had also been consulted about the marriage of one of Sobharam’s daughters.When I asked Jasbir to who, if any  in particular, he was attached at Vehedi, he replied that his attachment was to Sobharam’s father and ( as mother Rajkali had died many years earlier, even before Sobharam himself) his children.

Jasbir denied that the memories of previous life had faded. He said he still remembered clearl;y falling off the chariot on his return from the wedding he attended (as Sobharam) at the village of Nirmana. He even mentioned the exact place hwere he fell off the chariot, a detail which he had not earlier mentioned . He still belived that he had been poisoned at the wedding ceremony by a man whom Sobharam had loaned some money, which the man did not wish to repay. This man according to Jasbir,  thought to avoid the debt by killing Sobharam. The man in question later paid Jasbir(not Sobharam’s family) 600 Rupees. In 1971 Jasbir said this was the amount of the debt although in 1961, he had mentioned  the figure of 300-400 rupees. We should not consider the payment of this large sum of Jasbir as confession of guilt on the part of the alleged poisoner, but we certainly can consider it as evidence of this man’s conviction that Jasbir was in fact Sobharam reborn.

Jasbir had retained a number of Brahmin habits and attitudes. He still believed Brahmins a superior group of persons compared to members of other casts. He still would not eat food cooked in earthen pots. To accommodate him, his family cooked food for him in metal vessels and allowed him to eat first. Jasbir also wore around his neck the sacred thread which is a distinctive habit of upper caste Hindus(Jats do not wear this thread). He gave his correct mailing address as Jasbir Singh Tyagi S/o Girdharilal Jat. Thus he acknowledged the reality of the paternity of his body, but at the same time also claimed membership in the caste of the previous life.

When asked if he had any idea as to what happened to the mind or personality that had occupied the body of Jasbir before it apparently died of small pox and before that body had seemingly been taken over by the mind of Sobharam. He did not know , Jasbir said that in dreams he sometimes still saw the discarnate Sadhu (holy man) whom he had said (when a achild) he (as Sobharam) had met after the death of Sobharam.  Jasbir had earlier said this sadhu  had advised the discarnate Sobharam to “take over” in the body of Jasbir who had ostensibly dies. Jasbir spoke with some reluctance about these later contacts with the sadhu and gave the impression that he might be violating confidence in mentioning them. He said however, that the sadhu gave him correct predictions of future events in his life. In 1971 Jasbir said that his older brother, who had formerly been particularly hostile to his pretensions or superiority, fully accepted him in the family. Notwithstanding the remarkable healing within the family of Girdharilal Jat, Jasbir felt that the Tyagi family showed him even more affections. He took the demotion of socio-economic circumstances from one life to another not necessarily the one immediately preceding that in which it occurs.

Copied from Book of Dr. Ian Stevenson, Division of Parasychology, Department of Psychiatry, University of Virginia , Charlottesville, Virginia 22901.

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News4u-Feature Desk- S. C. Chaturvedi- In most cases of reincarnation type, the previous personality had died some years before the birth of the present personality. The present case has the unusual feature that the previous personality with which the subject became identified did not die until about 3 and half years after the birth of the “physical body of the present personality.”

In the spring of 1954, Jasbir, 3-1/2 years old , son of Shri Girdharilal Jat of Rasulpur, Distt. Muzaffarnagar, UP, was thought to have died of small pox.  Jasbir’s father went to his brother and other men of the village proposing that they assist him in burying his ‘dead’ son.  As it was then late at night, they advised postponing burial until the morning. Some few hours later Girdharilal Jat happened to notice some stirring in the body of his son which then gradually revived completely. Some days passed before the boy could speak again, and some weeks before he could express himself clearly. When he recovered the ability to speak he showed a remarkable transformation of behavior. He then stated that he was the son of Shankar of Vehedi  village and wished to go there. He would not eat food at the home of the Jat on the ground that he belonged to a higher caste, being a Brahmin. This obstinate refusal to eat would surely have led to a second death if a kindly Brahmin lady, a neighbour of Girdharilal , had not undertaken to cook food for Jasbir,  in the Brahmin manner. This she did for about a year and a half. Jasbir’s father supplied the material for the food she prepared. But his family some times deceived Jasbir and gave him food not prepared by the Brahmin lady. He discovered the deception and this realization together with pressure from his family, led him gradually to abandon his rigid Brahmin dietary habits and join the rest of the family in their regular meals. The period of resistance lasted under two years altogether.

Jasbir began to communicate further details of ‘his’ life and death in the village of  Vehedi. He particularly described how during  a wedding procession from one village to another he had eaten some poisoned sweets and alleged that a man to whom he had lent money had given him these sweets. He had become giddy and had fallen off the chariot on which he was riding, suffered a head injury, and died.

Jasbir’s  father told he tried to suppress the information of Jasbir’s strange claims & behavior in the village, but the news of it leaked out. The special cooking for Jasbir in the Brahmin style was naturally known to the Brahmins of the village and eventually (about 3- years later) came to the attention of one of their group, Smt Shyamo, a Brahmin native of Rasulpur who had married a native of Vehedi, Shri Ravi Dutt Shukla. She on rare occasions  (at intervals of seven years) returned to Rasulpur. On one such trip in 1957 Jasbir recognized her as his “aunt”. She reported the incident to her husband’s family  and to the members of the Tyagi  family in Vehedi. The details of ‘his’ death and other  items narrated by Jasbir corresponded closely with details of the life & death of a young man of 22, Sobharam, son of Shankarlal Tyagi of Vehendi. Sobharam had died in May 1954 in a chariot accident as related by Jasbir and in the manner described , although the Tyagi family knew nothing of any alleged poisoning or any debt of money owed Sobharam  before they heard of Jasbir’s ststaement. Afterwards they entertained suspicions of poisoning.

Later Ravidatt  Shukla , husband of Smt. Shyamo, visited Rasulpur and heard reports of jasbir’s statement and met him. Then Sobharam’s father and other members of his family went there and Jasbir recognized them and correctly placed them as to their relationships with Sobharam.

A few weeks later, at the instance of the Manager of the Sugar Mill near Vehedi, a villager from Vehedi, Jagannath Pd Shukla, brought Jasbir to Vehedi, where he put him down near the Railway station and asked him to lead the way to Tyagi quadrangle. This Jasbir did  without any difficulty. Later Jasbir was taken  to the home of Shri Ravidatt Shukla and from there led the way (a different route) to the Tyagi home. He remained some days  in the village and demonstrated to Tyagi family & other villagers a detailed knowledge of the Tyagi  family and its affairs. He enjoyed himself greatly in Vehedi and returned to Rasulpur with great reluctance. He still wanted to live in Vehedi and felt isolated and lonely in Rasulpur.

Particularly I would like to draw attention to the fact that the transformation in Jasbir took place rather quickly when he was about 3=-1/2  yrs old. Prior to that age he had seemed a normal child, apart from difficulty in speaking. It will be recalled that the period of transformation of personality in Jasbir coincided with the recovery of his body from an apparently mortal illness. During his early convalescence there was not much scope for any expression of personality and it is therefore impossible to state over what length of time the change in personality occurred. But the complete change took almost a few weaks and perhaps much less time. Moreover we have to do here with a profound change of personality, including refusal to eat his family’s food because of their alleged lower caste. The case therefore differs markedly from those of other children who seem to recall previous lives over a period of several years and in doing so more or less blend the previous personality with the presently developing one.

THE LATER DEVELOPMENT OF JASBIR

Jasbir had continued visiting Vehedi. His parents said he went over there every 3 or 4 months and Jasbir himself said he had gone there just two months before the Author’s visit. On that visit he had remained in Vehedi 2-1/2 months working in the Tyagi family’s fields. Sobharam’s father Shankarla Tyagi was still living then. The Tyagis regarded Jasbir as a full member of their family. They had consulted him about the marriage of Sobharam’s son and he had attended the wedding ceremony. Jasbir had also been consulted about the marriage of one of Sobharam’s daughters.When I asked Jasbir to who, if any  in particular, he was attached at Vehedi, he replied that his attachment was to Sobharam’s father and ( as mother Rajkali had died many years earlier, even before Sobharam himself) his children.

Jasbir denied that the memories of previous life had faded. He said he still remembered clearl;y falling off the chariot on his return from the wedding he attended (as Sobharam) at the village of Nirmana. He even mentioned the exact place hwere he fell off the chariot, a detail which he had not earlier mentioned . He still belived that he had been poisoned at the wedding ceremony by a man whom Sobharam had loaned some money, which the man did not wish to repay. This man according to Jasbir,  thought to avoid the debt by killing Sobharam. The man in question later paid Jasbir(not Sobharam’s family) 600 Rupees. In 1971 Jasbir said this was the amount of the debt although in 1961, he had mentioned  the figure of 300-400 rupees. We should not consider the payment of this large sum of Jasbir as confession of guilt on the part of the alleged poisoner, but we certainly can consider it as evidence of this man’s conviction that Jasbir was in fact Sobharam reborn.

Jasbir had retained a number of Brahmin habits and attitudes. He still believed Brahmins a superior group of persons compared to members of other casts. He still would not eat food cooked in earthen pots. To accommodate him, his family cooked food for him in metal vessels and allowed him to eat first. Jasbir also wore around his neck the sacred thread which is a distinctive habit of upper caste Hindus(Jats do not wear this thread). He gave his correct mailing address as Jasbir Singh Tyagi S/o Girdharilal Jat. Thus he acknowledged the reality of the paternity of his body, but at the same time also claimed membership in the caste of the previous life.

When asked if he had any idea as to what happened to the mind or personality that had occupied the body of Jasbir before it apparently died of small pox and before that body had seemingly been taken over by the mind of Sobharam. He did not know , Jasbir said that in dreams he sometimes still saw the discarnate Sadhu (holy man) whom he had said (when a achild) he (as Sobharam) had met after the death of Sobharam.  Jasbir had earlier said this sadhu  had advised the discarnate Sobharam to “take over” in the body of Jasbir who had ostensibly dies. Jasbir spoke with some reluctance about these later contacts with the sadhu and gave the impression that he might be violating confidence in mentioning them. He said however, that the sadhu gave him correct predictions of future events in his life. In 1971 Jasbir said that his older brother, who had formerly been particularly hostile to his pretensions or superiority, fully accepted him in the family. Notwithstanding the remarkable healing within the family of Girdharilal Jat, Jasbir felt that the Tyagi family showed him even more affections. He took the demotion of socio-economic circumstances from one life to another not necessarily the one immediately preceding that in which it occurs.

Copied from Book of Dr. Ian Stevenson, Division of Parasychology, Department of Psychiatry, University of Virginia , Charlottesville, Virginia 22901.

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